"Competent Zeref"
Damn, you throwin' all that shade tho'. But I have to agree. If Zeref is as competent as people make him out to be, the war would've been over from the outset.
"Competent Zeref"
Damn, you throwin' all that shade tho'. But I have to agree. If Zeref is as competent as people make him out to be, the war would've been over from the outset.
Thanks. And yes, I do have a detailed explanation about how something like this would exist. Also, going by your logic, the same can be said about the Black Arts since Black Magic already exists. This is something more on the lines of stereotyping, albeit done on purpose.
No. I've specifically stated that Black Arts is different from "Black Magic" because it is a style created by Zeref specifically to defy the laws of life and death. Black Magic doesn't play around with life and death. In fact, no Magic played around with those concepts because they were taboo. It was Zeref and his pursuit to revive Natsu that lead him on the path to create Living Magic. Anksheram's Black Magic is just classified under that because it induces death as well.
But..... isn't manipulating souls, something that Black Magic does (i.e. Seith Magic), basically playing around with life and death? Also, it's never confirmed that Zeref himself created the Black Arts, but merely used them by creating off-shoots. Yeah, so there could've been wizards existing before Zeref that used the Black Arts, but Hiro tends to be vague about these things.
Seith Magic does not manipulate living souls. It manipulates souls that exist in the environment.
Fine, I'll be specific. Black Arts was "not well known" until Zeref created the very offshoots Black Arts are defined by. There would be no need to create an antipode to something that would barely exist in the eyes of the public.
But remember, this is something that dates back to many many many generations ago. Eh, you'll get a clear understanding when I do the history section.
"Many many many" generations ago isn't a timeframe that exists in canonical FTverse, Alpha. If you were making White Arts for your story I would give this a blind eye but it's very obvious all modern advents in Magic originated from discoveries of magical academies 400 years ago, like, say, the one Zeref went to?
You're implying that there were other individuals who possessed the necessary talent to both reverse death (which Zeref made three distinct means of) and also acquired the Curse of Contradiction from Ankhseram. Subsequently, you're also implying these figures aren't mentioned in the canon as being "the most vile, evil Mages" in history despite Zeref having that exact depiction in canon's legends? Come on, dude. Be realistic.
Ash, what you said is kinda.... Don't wanna say "retarded", but more "utterly ridiculous". What you're saying is that all magic in its complexity came from 400 and everything before that was primitive. That in itself is unrealistic. It's impossible to survive for that long while being able to live on simple degrees of magic, especially you have dragons in the sky trying to kill you at every given moment. Like evolution, magic evolved over time and the schools, like the one Zeref went to, aided in that. If magic was as simplistic before the academy, like you're mentioning, then it would absolutely impossible for people to live long.
Now, I never mentioned these people being able to obtain the Curse of Contradiction from Ankhseram. All I said that White Arts created as a means to combat the most malicious threats, such as Demons and evil entities. Also, it combats the effects of other things deriving from the Black Arts. The world didn't start 400 years ago, and the FTverse must have a rich history of magic usage. No one got up and said "Hey, let's create a Magic Academy just because....!", there must have been intellectuals, and by extension, powerful mages who had created complex magic from which others can be derived from.
Also, I never said that such individuals didn't exist, but they must be fee in number, and I mean VERY few.
YO YO YO WHAT TIME IS? VOID TIME!!! Yes I'd imagine that the world of Fairy Tail had a very rich and complex understanding of magic. Is it no wonder that we have magic's such as Arc of Time, Arc of Embodiment, Tree Arc, and all those other wonderful Lost Magics.... oh... lost.
See I've always been an advent that the Dragon Civil War did more than bring about the extinction of the Dragon race (assuming that is even true, considering that Dragons had the ability to freely mindrape the human race... which all things considered is a huge plot element I'm looking at), but humanity lost pretty much all of its history and knowledge of magic.
Modern fairy tail magic is probably the most watered down, sub-species, of sub-species to exist. Despite the proliferation of mages, humanity is technically for the purposes of knowledge and understanding wise, in a Magic Dark Age. We know God Slayers exists but there are no mentions of any war with the gods, but we do know what happened to many of them. They hid. They are in hiding, or they're followers are lost or gone.
The world of fairy tail appears to undergo this cycle of destruction when it concerns magically powerful species, the gods, the dragons, and we have no idea what came before. I cannot even imagine living in a world where the earliest remnants of all human history are seemingly gone just shy of 400 years ago. That's terrifying. That is the complete and utter collapse of just all human civilization. Ponder that for a moment.
Well, I'm not going to bother continuing this discussion.
It's futile discussing the history of a series that hasn't inputted enough into its background for us to draw any truly reasonable conclusions rather than "what ifs" of the history of Magic.
So, I'll close the thread here, for both of our sakes.
Oh, and Alpha, I don't appreciate you calling my ideas utterly ridiculous.